The way I see it Jason Owlbright....there's a difference between being spiritual and hearing voices. From a medical point that's a sign of a psychotic episode. Also, there's a difference between expressing my point of view and really insulting someone.
Except, you are allowed to hear god if a collection of other people in your community have decided you're worthy to hear it and designated you the "priest" in town.
Well, I may be weird, I may be strange, I may not act the way you expect, but my pshrink told me I'm the sanest person he ever met and probably too sane for this world. So I quit seeing a pshrink...
What's a voice? In my struggle to finger variations on synchronicity that would be less bound to overly anecdotal context, and thus easier to trade, I ended up with French puns like "Est-y mots logiques?". Basically, an HHOS approach to French puns that I tend to call "canal Lacan".
Puns are most voice-like. I also arrived at other practices. All preserve the character of attention to synchronicity, that is to obtain meaningful or intelligent messages from apparent coincidences - an absence of authoring agent. The one trait that I guess distinguishes them from literally "hearing voices" is control over receptivity... it's not voices you hear clearly despite yourself, but more like figuring out what an aware aphasic friend may be trying to get across.
If you don't invest brainpower to hear, nothing happens. So it's more like reading than hearing. Yet the equivalent of having eyes open at the wrong moment, and taking in a spectacle as meaningful in ways you'd rather not, can also happen. Like with friends, advice isn't imperative to follow, but inconvenient comment isn't always possible to not hear.
Now between "God talks to you" and "hearing voices" there's also an unspoken difference... on the authority you may or not lend to the words heard as a matter of principle. The ideal is hearing independently justifiable ideas, good hints. Like with a friend, you may agree or disagree, and if you agree you can appropriate and put it into your own words.
Wow, that's a long way to say "if you're hearing voices, how do you know it's not just a trick of your brain" but no, that's not how "god's voice" sounds. When you hear Her voice in your head, it's not a voice at all. It's an understanding and you can tell it's from outside your head because it's always got the same feel/sound/timbre/essence. The sense of where it's from, outside the head as if thought-beamed into it, and that most of the time introduces novel information. What's more, it frequently tells one what one wanted denied. Whether it's your deeper intuition, your "soul," or "god" isn't as important as recognizing the inherent wisdom. Do you ever walk past something, perhaps a paper cutting or meat cutting machine, and a wild thought pops in your hand that you should do something stupid with it, like cut off a limb? I've had that, where I get this image of my hand going into the paper cutter and "wouldn't that be interesting?" That is NOT god, and doesn't sound anything like the voice that says "it's going to be okay, this has a purpose, stand up strong."
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ReplyDeleteYou think the talk goes both ways, right back to psychotic, Antenna Wilde
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ReplyDeleteI love science and astronomy and your posts but when you say that you are offending me...
ReplyDeleteJason Owlbright does God speak to you, Awlbright?
ReplyDeleteThe way I see it Jason Owlbright....there's a difference between being spiritual and hearing voices. From a medical point that's a sign of a psychotic episode. Also, there's a difference between expressing my point of view and really insulting someone.
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ReplyDeleteDanke. Have a lovely weekend as well! :)
Except, you are allowed to hear god if a collection of other people in your community have decided you're worthy to hear it and designated you the "priest" in town.
ReplyDeleteann kiszt or you can self appoint yourself by simply stating to others that the voices were from the creator himself.
ReplyDeleteSam Loera Sometimes, if you're a white male (or these days also black male) and you are very good at social skills, you might get away with it.
ReplyDeleteWell, I may be weird, I may be strange, I may not act the way you expect, but my pshrink told me I'm the sanest person he ever met and probably too sane for this world. So I quit seeing a pshrink...
ReplyDeleteWhat's a voice? In my struggle to finger variations on synchronicity that would be less bound to overly anecdotal context, and thus easier to trade, I ended up with French puns like "Est-y mots logiques?". Basically, an HHOS approach to French puns that I tend to call "canal Lacan".
ReplyDeletePuns are most voice-like. I also arrived at other practices. All preserve the character of attention to synchronicity, that is to obtain meaningful or intelligent messages from apparent coincidences - an absence of authoring agent. The one trait that I guess distinguishes them from literally "hearing voices" is control over receptivity... it's not voices you hear clearly despite yourself, but more like figuring out what an aware aphasic friend may be trying to get across.
If you don't invest brainpower to hear, nothing happens. So it's more like reading than hearing. Yet the equivalent of having eyes open at the wrong moment, and taking in a spectacle as meaningful in ways you'd rather not, can also happen. Like with friends, advice isn't imperative to follow, but inconvenient comment isn't always possible to not hear.
Now between "God talks to you" and "hearing voices" there's also an unspoken difference... on the authority you may or not lend to the words heard as a matter of principle. The ideal is hearing independently justifiable ideas, good hints. Like with a friend, you may agree or disagree, and if you agree you can appropriate and put it into your own words.
Wow, that's a long way to say "if you're hearing voices, how do you know it's not just a trick of your brain" but no, that's not how "god's voice" sounds.
ReplyDeleteWhen you hear Her voice in your head, it's not a voice at all. It's an understanding and you can tell it's from outside your head because it's always got the same feel/sound/timbre/essence. The sense of where it's from, outside the head as if thought-beamed into it, and that most of the time introduces novel information. What's more, it frequently tells one what one wanted denied.
Whether it's your deeper intuition, your "soul," or "god" isn't as important as recognizing the inherent wisdom.
Do you ever walk past something, perhaps a paper cutting or meat cutting machine, and a wild thought pops in your hand that you should do something stupid with it, like cut off a limb? I've had that, where I get this image of my hand going into the paper cutter and "wouldn't that be interesting?" That is NOT god, and doesn't sound anything like the voice that says "it's going to be okay, this has a purpose, stand up strong."