So u might wrong with huge ignorance .. physio parts wud clear in religion ,philosophy of mind reading questionng answerring with the modern science exampelary can b mentioned......
It should be Philosophy vs Dogmatism. You have to have an irrational faith in your own actions in order to do anything, which is somewhat religious. Beliefs in absolute truth is the enemy, not religion.
The dogma of religion being a synonym for dogmatism seems to be very rarely questioned by some people, who also ironically mistake this dogma for rational philosophy.
Meh why does it have to be anything vs anything else? Religion is an idea. Philosophy is a methodology. In that case I see then as not in conflict at all, as they do different jobs. Of course we know this or the philosophy of religion would be meaningless.
Religion is just an idea, now of course we can talk about the merits of it vs the merits of the idea the big crunch. They are both just ideas.
João Ferreira Taking into account the posts, and kinds of posts this has already generated, and given the 'wordplay' in the poster is it not obvious that this is designed to show some form of superiority of one above the other? Or in less words, one vs the other?
Lee Douglas Probably. But many religious consider that superiority means amount of faith in face of doubt. So, in this case those that have doubts are inferior. It is relative notion here.
I really dislike generalist claptrap, and with the last three posts we can see that in both philosophy and religion that there are many POV, so I must declare this poster a fail.
Jawad Aitmachirine That's an interesting point. However I wonder whether this interpretation is wide-spread at least in certain schools of islam.
Also, what about the following assertion "Muhammad is his messenger"? Also that Muhammad actually is the last of the prophets? I never had the impression that in islam you're encouraged to question this.
Thames Sinclair Thank you Of course there's a lot of interpretations of each religion text.. The prophecy of Muhammad is legitimate of all Muslims. . In islam we believe that jesus and many other prophets are real.. a thousands who've been persecuted And muslims and arabs are not islam.. Muhammad is also an historical character no doubt about that He was a leader, an economic and war strategist U can deny maybe that his doctrine is not from Allah but Mohammed had existed.. And u can find it in the books of history
Lee Douglas I am biased to have one view as superiority and another as inferiority yes. But the opposite view is also possible if you are a true believer. Now that you mention it, it could be that if you are only a half believer then you will probably get insulted.
João Ferreira Well that really wasn't what I was asking but meh, you have answered and I thank you. I'm not really concerned with whether one is superior from the other, as I say, I don't really see one idea and one method for dealing with ideas as being at odds, rather they are connected.
Paul Howard Heh anyholy book that declares you shall know the truth, coz this book tells you it's true is at least guilty of circular reasoning, isn't it?
However I do like number 5, although not so much it's shutting out other avenues.
Lee Douglas It would be illogical for the prime authority to refer to any imperfect method for validation. The previous section in Tattva Sandarbha explains that the human facilties for independent research about reality are unreliable due to having imperfect senses, being covered by illusion, having a cheating mentality, and being prone to mistakes.
Paul Howard Heh you may claim that, but if you can then I can claim that it would be illogical for the prime authority to populate the globe with such a disperate peoples and only offer 'one true way'. Can I not?
Lee Douglas Is it very strange to you that there would be countless wrong ways but one right way? How is that illogical? Maybe you have an idea like pounding in a lightbulb or attaching it with glue, but if you want the light to work, it must be installed according to the instructions.
Similarly God can be understood as He describes Himself, not by one's own speculative ideas.
frankly there is countless wrong ways and right ways because we all have different views and always will and therefore measure differently want provides the "correct" result and what provides the "correct" method to get such a result
Paul Howard no sir you misunderstand. Let us go back a little and address two points.
Why is it ilogical for the prime authority to refer to any imperfect methoed for validation? If you can show me, then I may belive you, if not should I just take you at your word?
If the latter then I to can make any amount of claims also.
As to my claim. I want to go home, there are three ways I can go home, which one is the one true way? Well none of them, all are valid and each offers thier own pros and cons. What then is ilogical about that?
Bash Quandry you show blindness to give all the credit to religion.....science, humans also play a role in genocides, communism, ill be happy to furnish proof that their was atheist philosophers who admitted to the son of god
We are just part of evolution no different than any other living thing on this great earth of ours. So how about using our friggin brains and stop acting like idiots?!? Want to belive in imaginary friends, gods and buffons ? go ahead...no one stops u. We need to coexist on this planet even we belive in gods or not. The belief in evolution is optional but participation is not....we are still evolving.
Corina Marinescu IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAME FROM A MONKEY AND BELIEVE YOU ARE AN ACCIDENT BUT COME IN OPPRESSING THE RELIGIOUS AND THEN PULL OUT WITH THE WHOLE "LETS SET OUR DIFFERENCE ASIDE" YOU ARE SADLY MISGUIDED AND FAR FROM ENLIGHTENED
I BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION FROM WITHIN THE MIND, AND THE NEXT STEP IS PEACE AND HARMONY, UNTIL THEN WE WILL REMAIN PRIMITIVE KILLING EACH OTHER, AND THAT IS ONE THING THE BIBLE OFFERS, TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER, SELFISHNESS, JESUS'S PHILOSOPHY BEATS ALL YOUR PHILOSOPHERS TEN TIMES OVER...BUT THAT IN YOUR ATHEIST PIPE AND SMOKE IT
Big Jorgie Ummmm U need a left lobe extension...ask ur God for one of those..in the mean time comments are off cos go figure a bunch of devices made by some atheists and a satellite gave me that power
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ReplyDeleteMisunderstanding? History would say otherwise. Perhaps you are mistaking your faith for institution of "religion"
ReplyDeleteSceince: Answering questions, then questioning the answers.
ReplyDeleteSo u might wrong with huge ignorance
ReplyDelete.. physio parts wud clear in religion ,philosophy of mind reading questionng answerring with the modern science exampelary can b mentioned......
Heinrich Zwahlen Agreed...that's why I'm about to call God Ra and disable comments :))
ReplyDeleteTo not question is mental slavery.
ReplyDeletephilosophy is love of wisdom and religion is being tied to a concept.
ReplyDeleteIt should be Philosophy vs Dogmatism. You have to have an irrational faith in your own actions in order to do anything, which is somewhat religious. Beliefs in absolute truth is the enemy, not religion.
ReplyDeleteThe dogma of religion being a synonym for dogmatism seems to be very rarely questioned by some people, who also ironically mistake this dogma for rational philosophy.
ReplyDeleteCorina Marinescu simple and powerful.
ReplyDeleteMeh why does it have to be anything vs anything else? Religion is an idea. Philosophy is a methodology. In that case I see then as not in conflict at all, as they do different jobs. Of course we know this or the philosophy of religion would be meaningless.
ReplyDeleteReligion is just an idea, now of course we can talk about the merits of it vs the merits of the idea the big crunch. They are both just ideas.
Maybe it is you and not them.
ReplyDeleteLee Douglas I don't see why this is one vs the other. It is a play of words.
ReplyDeleteJoão Ferreira Taking into account the posts, and kinds of posts this has already generated, and given the 'wordplay' in the poster is it not obvious that this is designed to show some form of superiority of one above the other? Or in less words, one vs the other?
ReplyDeleteLee Douglas Probably. But many religious consider that superiority means amount of faith in face of doubt. So, in this case those that have doubts are inferior. It is relative notion here.
ReplyDeleteI really dislike generalist claptrap, and with the last three posts we can see that in both philosophy and religion that there are many POV, so I must declare this poster a fail.
ReplyDeleteJoão Ferreira Hahh yes but then all belief is a question of relativity is it not?
ReplyDeleteWar is more sacred than religion.
ReplyDeleteJawad Aitmachirine That's an interesting point. However I wonder whether this interpretation is wide-spread at least in certain schools of islam.
ReplyDeleteAlso, what about the following assertion "Muhammad is his messenger"? Also that Muhammad actually is the last of the prophets? I never had the impression that in islam you're encouraged to question this.
James Hamilton Heh of course it has been with us far longer!
ReplyDeleteLee Douglas yep. But the relativism was on your inferiority vs superiority interpretation.
ReplyDeleteJawad Aitmachirine do you question the existence of Allah?
ReplyDeleteIsn't the opposite true: Islam is a step to atheism?
João Ferreira Heh yes maybe so. However are you claiming that you can not or do not see the same?
ReplyDeleteThames Sinclair Thank you
ReplyDeleteOf course there's a lot of interpretations of each religion text.. The prophecy of Muhammad is legitimate of all Muslims. . In islam we believe that jesus and many other prophets are real.. a thousands who've been persecuted
And muslims and arabs are not islam..
Muhammad is also an historical character no doubt about that
He was a leader, an economic and war strategist
U can deny maybe that his doctrine is not from Allah but Mohammed had existed.. And u can find it in the books of history
David Braun No, not you sir.
ReplyDeleteLee Douglas I am biased to have one view as superiority and another as inferiority yes. But the opposite view is also possible if you are a true believer.
ReplyDeleteNow that you mention it, it could be that if you are only a half believer then you will probably get insulted.
João Ferreira Well that really wasn't what I was asking but meh, you have answered and I thank you. I'm not really concerned with whether one is superior from the other, as I say, I don't really see one idea and one method for dealing with ideas as being at odds, rather they are connected.
ReplyDeletePaul Howard Heh anyholy book that declares you shall know the truth, coz this book tells you it's true is at least guilty of circular reasoning, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteHowever I do like number 5, although not so much it's shutting out other avenues.
Good post... Laymen terms....
ReplyDeleteyea' laymans' terms because there is quite a bit more to philosophy but im sure we can let it go, good post chap
ReplyDeleteLee Douglas It would be illogical for the prime authority to refer to any imperfect method for validation. The previous section in Tattva Sandarbha explains that the human facilties for independent research about reality are unreliable due to having imperfect senses, being covered by illusion, having a cheating mentality, and being prone to mistakes.
ReplyDeletenot necessarily, this is propaganda
ReplyDeletePaul Howard Heh you may claim that, but if you can then I can claim that it would be illogical for the prime authority to populate the globe with such a disperate peoples and only offer 'one true way'. Can I not?
ReplyDeleteLee Douglas Is it very strange to you that there would be countless wrong ways but one right way? How is that illogical? Maybe you have an idea like pounding in a lightbulb or attaching it with glue, but if you want the light to work, it must be installed according to the instructions.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly God can be understood as He describes Himself, not by one's own speculative ideas.
frankly there is countless wrong ways and right ways because we all have different views and always will and therefore measure differently want provides the "correct" result and what provides the "correct" method to get such a result
ReplyDeleteTrue although, I'm right and you're wrong....see, its easy!!
ReplyDeleteEmaun Brown We shall have to agree to disagree then?
ReplyDeletePaul Howard no sir you misunderstand. Let us go back a little and address two points.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it ilogical for the prime authority to refer to any imperfect methoed for validation? If you can show me, then I may belive you, if not should I just take you at your word?
If the latter then I to can make any amount of claims also.
As to my claim. I want to go home, there are three ways I can go home, which one is the one true way? Well none of them, all are valid and each offers thier own pros and cons. What then is ilogical about that?
Bash Quandry
ReplyDeleteyou show blindness to give all the credit to religion.....science, humans also play a role in genocides, communism, ill be happy to furnish proof that their was atheist philosophers who admitted to the son of god
We are just part of evolution no different than any other living thing on this great earth of ours. So how about using our friggin brains and stop acting like idiots?!? Want to belive in imaginary friends, gods and buffons ? go ahead...no one stops u. We need to coexist on this planet even we belive in gods or not.
ReplyDeleteThe belief in evolution is optional but participation is not....we are still evolving.
Corina Marinescu
ReplyDeleteIF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAME FROM A MONKEY AND BELIEVE YOU ARE AN ACCIDENT BUT COME IN OPPRESSING THE RELIGIOUS AND THEN PULL OUT WITH THE WHOLE "LETS SET OUR DIFFERENCE ASIDE" YOU ARE SADLY MISGUIDED AND FAR FROM ENLIGHTENED
I BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION FROM WITHIN THE MIND, AND THE NEXT STEP IS PEACE AND HARMONY, UNTIL THEN WE WILL REMAIN PRIMITIVE KILLING EACH OTHER, AND THAT IS ONE THING THE BIBLE OFFERS, TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER, SELFISHNESS, JESUS'S PHILOSOPHY BEATS ALL YOUR PHILOSOPHERS TEN TIMES OVER...BUT THAT IN YOUR ATHEIST PIPE AND SMOKE IT
ReplyDeleteBig Jorgie Ummmm U need a left lobe extension...ask ur God for one of those..in the mean time comments are off cos go figure a bunch of devices made by some atheists and a satellite gave me that power
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